David Beghe Interview
July 8, 2008
(Transcript of television clip)
TODAY TONIGHT HOST: While his former wife has ventured into motherhood, Tom Cruise and his Church of Scientology have come under attack from a Hollywood pin-up boy and one of Tom's former mates. An actor who starred in Thelma and Louise and CSI speaks to Brian Seymour, as he continues his investigation into the secret world of Scientology.
Bryan Seymour: It's been a difficult year for Scientology it started when a former poster-boy for the religion defected - left the church - Hollywood film and television star Jason Beghe. He now joins us from Los Angeles. Jason thanks for joining us. First of all, whats your reaction to these claims that here in Australia, Scientology is employing children full-time, and preventing them from getting an education?
Jason Beghe: You have to understand that from the viewpoint of a Scientologist, their mission is so important - and these people actually believe that they are here to save - they're the only hope for mankind. That not only just mankind, they're here to save this sector of the galaxy. And so, if little things like a child's education have to suffer for it, it's a sacrifice that's worth making for the greater good.
Bryan Seymour: Is it during OT-III Operating Thetan Level Three, that level of study, that they hit you with the story about Xenu the alien?
Bryan Seymour: Let's pause here. Scientology denies the story of Xenu exists. It's about an alien that brought interstellar entities here 75 million years ago. These aliens still inhabit mankind today. Only Scientology can save us. The church says publically 'it's nonsense'. Yet those who have been in the church say that when you reach the level of study known as Operating Thetan Level Three, Xenu appears. Confirmed by our whistleblower from last night's story -
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Bryan Seymour: What about Xenu?
Interviewee: Well, thats basically the OT-III level. You don't encounter that in the Church until you get to OT-III, and when you get to it, it's confidential so you can't talk about it.
Bryan Seymour: And David Graham, a former top scientologist in the United States...
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Bryan Seymour: I have to ask; is OT-III the level where they hit you with the story about 'Xenu the alien'?
David Graham: Yeah, yup. OT-III is the Xenu story.
Bryan Seymour: and now David Beghe who passed OT-III and went on to pass level five...
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Jason Beghe: Thats when you first come into contact with the Xenu story.
Bryan Seymour: You used to believe this, is that right?
Jason Beghe: Honestly I have to say, and this is interesting, I didn't - but I accepted it. I accepted it deeply. I didn't have to believe it, I accepted it.
Bryan Seymour: Is this a religion, Jason? Or is it a motivational course, or is it a cult? What do you think of it now that you've left?
Jason Beghe: Well, what I think of it - I think that it's a cult.
Bryan Seymour: You were in Scientology for something like 13 years, nearly 14 years. You gave them you say around a million dollars of your own money. You were a poster-boy for scientology, up there with Tom Cruise and John Travolta. Why did you decide to leave?
Jason Beghe: The last 10 years were a nightmare. It was very very unsatisfactory.
Bryan Seymour: If Scientology believes its mission is to save mankind, protect the species, and as you say an education for a child and making a child to work full-time is a small price to pay if that is a genuine mission.
Jason Beghe: You can joke about that kind of a thing; but when you have that kind of a higher purpose, quote unquote, it gives you a sense of grandiosity - of importance; even though you can still empathise with the non-scientologist - they're referred to as 'wogs'.
Bryan Seymour: It's a sense of real purpose.
Jason Beghe: Exactly.
Bryan Seymour: How can Scientology get away with this, if it's all true? How can they get away with it?
Jason Beghe: Are they getting away with it? If they are, its because they're under some cloak of religion. I guess. If somehow it's considered volunteer work, maybe. I dont know how they rationalise it. What I'd like to see is that you continue to pull that string, and say "how could it be - that a parent agreed to let their child be in this situation - how could that be?" How could that be. Those are the kind of things you need to ask.
Bryan Seymour: Would you like to see Scientology banned?
Jason Beghe: Would I like to see Scientology banned - I have no comment on that.
Bryan Seymour: Can I ask why?
Jason Beghe: Everybody has a right to believe what they want to believe. But I don't believe that anybody has a right to trick anybody, to hurt anybody - to harm somebody for their own purposes.
Bryan Seymour: Jason Beghe thank you very much for talking with us.
Jason Beghe: Thank you Brian.
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